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berto

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2007, 09:22:16 AM »

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Come to think of it...that article is worthy of an entire semester's analysis in a Queer Criticism class.


No kidding! That is one of the best anti-assimilationist, anti-marriage pieces I have yet read... and I agree with most of it, despite being in favour of equal marriage.

No, that's not really contradictory -- I think every queer should have the *right* to get married, if that's what they want. But as for myself, I can't see me taking that step, any more than I would join the armed forces -- although I also think every queer should have the right to do that too, if they so choose.

Thanks for the article, Victor -- I am going to post that elsewhere, and also forward it to several friends.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2007, 07:11:48 PM »

Please read if you haven't already done so and take the appropriate action.  There is trouble brewing in the Village.  Some see signs of yet another LGBT riot.  Informed sources are quietly telling me to "keep watching".

THE REBELLION IS NOT OVER
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2007, 08:24:29 PM »

Rain --

I am working on putting together a "publicity pack" on this...
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2007, 08:27:15 PM »

Berto...the signs are very ominous.  I've heard people say things like "I'd rather spill my blood fighting for my rights than being attacked for who or what I am."  And this is coming from some very young people.  Some are no older than I was when I first hit those piers.  Obviously when you're that age, rage is a difficult thing to contain.  

Rest assured...those piers and the right to be there are sacred to me.  I will not stand by and let the parade march on.  I intend to be there.  I owe it to them.  And to myself.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2007, 08:33:45 PM »

Rain --

I have to run into town; when I log back on, it will be via high-speed, and I will have more to say then. But fer gawd sake, Rain, be careful! You don't need to get hurt again like you were at the RNC in NY... If you get your lovely self damaged again, I'll kill you! ;)
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2007, 09:19:26 PM »

I've spent the bulk of my Sunday morning organizing responses to this all over the world.  Like I said in a previous post on this thread...this is my spiritual home.  In a way, I am those girls.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2007, 09:22:17 PM »

Berto you know I love a good fight.  It's in my nature.  The piers taught me to get my head broken and keep on fighting.  Back then I fought for silly childhood reasons.  My blood, and I dare say, my life is meaningless if I can't give it for the causes I believe in.  And I believe in the sanctity and safety of gay people above all things.  I would never think twice.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2007, 12:31:46 AM »

Well, I've hit most gay LGBT organization links I have on almost every continent.  The only exceptions are Australia and Asia...but I'm sure Berto, you can take care of spreading the word in those corners.  The city's judge was very concerned about the effects on tourism...now the city will have more reasons to be concerned.  I dare say that a full out boycott of gay tourism to NYC should be called for.  This city only reacts when money's at stake.  I believe the powers that be should realize that gays come here in huge numbers, maybe a hit in the tourist wallet will bring about some thoughtful resolution to what's been going on in the Village for far too long.  I've already asked personal friends of mine in England, Spain and Latin-America to consider creating an anti-New York tourism boycott.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2007, 03:15:24 AM »

I was sent this from one friend today...I see echoes of my own post above on this thread in this article.
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2007, 03:54:03 AM »

"Attack of The Killer Lesbians"...this just turned my stomach.

The three male "passersby" he's alluding to are gay males who jumped to defend their lesbian sisters and actually did the stabbing.  They punctured his liver with a larger knife.  Once the girls were out of danger, the gay men left the scene.  I would have done the same or worse.

It's nice to have an identifying picture of this monster.  He should watch his back.

And THIS from the Daily News..."lesbian wolf pack" they called them.  As if there were such a thing!  But this is an allusion to an incident in Central Park many years ago when a group of thugs assaulted a white female jogging alone at night in the park.  The kids were either black or Latino and from Harlem.  They were demonized in the media as a "wolf pack".  Obviously they're playing the race card.
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2007, 04:07:51 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2007, 04:37:27 AM »

Rain -- check yer PMs...
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2007, 05:14:36 AM »

Okey Doke...
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2007, 11:46:01 AM »

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Thanks for the article, Victor -- I am going to post that elsewhere, and also forward it to several friends.

You are welcome.  :wink: The article is indeed very interesting, and there are many good shots in it. I enjoyed reading it very much, but while progressing through the text I got certain feeling of uneasiness. I confess that at the end, I disagree with this article's socialist tone and the final intention behind it.

The remarkable thing in this article is that while being superficially very harsh on "Gay assimilationsts," the author's mindstate in reality is not a Gay separatist' one. What he/she basically proposes is that Gays should stop fighting for their specific rights (like equal marriage etc) and instead shall turn towards the reforming of the "entire society" towards the bright socialist future. This article correctly points to several problems, but suggested solutions have more to do with class consciousness and the fight of have-nots against the establishment, than with Gay separatism.

In its way, the article is itself very assimilationist one - it strives to split the rich and influential Gays from the poor Gays, with the intention to unite disadvantaged Gays with disadvantaged straights in a fight for what the author perceives as a better world. Mind you, I do not object to those high goals in the least - I only wish to disclose the applied tactics of abusing the Gay issue for the socialist cause.

This article was written by a person who is very skilled in using language as a tool of manipulation. You can see how he/she segregates the "Gays" (= white, wealthy, male, old/middle-aged) from the "Queers" (= black, latino, female/transgender, young). This is made on purpose - to feed the outrage of the targeted potential clientel against those "wicked establishment Gays" and win supporters for the socialist cause. These vicious tactics are responsible for converting people like Jasmyne Cannick into fervent supporters of what they think is "the black cause" or "the worker cause" and put a blind eye to homophobia - indeed, those "vicious Gays" become their primary enemy.

Need I say that these people are not thinking of "homosexuals" in first line? Marriage equality and the "freedom to serve" does not fit in their agenda of combatting the imperialism and capitalism, thus they readily accept the destruction of lives of many, many Gay people who happen to be in a bi-national relationship or into some military profession. We can contest the institution of marriage and militarism as such, but it should be no question at all that Gays must have the same rights as heterosexuals. We can discuss on whether it makes sense for Gays to marry, but anybody voting in parliament against marriage equality is clearly an enemy of the Gay people. You will be not surprized that German leftists, including the former lesbian and now transgender heterosexual man Christina Schenk did exactly this in German Bundestag back in 2001.
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2007, 01:51:28 PM »

Something missing from the analysis of what's happening in the Castro (and elsewhere) is the demographic shift that's actually causing it. Face it, there is a whole generation of people (a huge cohort) that is at its economic peak-- that is. the Baby Boomers.

It's no surprise. They've done the same thing before in other arenas: monopolizing pop culture, etc.

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In college I was taught that gay liberation and class struggle were bound together in the achievement of mutual goals.


See, I find that to be an assimilationist attitude in itself. I am not a str8 fruit-picker or coal miner. I'm not a terribly beset Appalachian single mother.

My goals are, therefore, necessarily not coincident with those who are.
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